Here is the list of PPL sites that ElenasModels.com blocks users from. If a woman has a profile on these websites, she cannot join Elena’s Models.
The reason for that is simple. Agents of PPL websites are known to employ impersonators to chat and write under women’s identities. Such ads are abundant on Ukrainian employment portals at present time, which shows that the problem still exists.
Unquestionably, such conduct where another person operates a profile and pretends to be someone else, while the paying customer believes he is talking to the girl from photos, can be qualified as deceptive. Some people use stronger expressions such as scam or fraud. While we are not stating that 100% of profiles on PPL websites are used in fake correspondence, the continuous problems with ladies who used to be involved with pay per letter companies created the need for us to put barriers on entry for members of paid communication schemes.
- Read also: The ugly truth about PPL dating sites
The problem with “pay per letter” sites
Unfortunately, “pay per letter” sites are known to display photos and details even when the girl is no longer active, meaning some impersonators write, chat and entertain men without the knowledge of the woman in the photos.
We had cases like this previously, where the lady claimed she was not using the profile herself and was unable to remove it, and it’s hard or sometimes impossible for a woman to ensure her data is no longer used by the PPL company. Occasionally, a lady’s profile may disappear from one website and pop up on another one, uploaded by the same agent, who has copies of her documents and photos. PPL agents are also known to sell and re-sell girls’ profiles. Such ads can be also found online.
There is another issue with PPL sites that is only started to develop recently.
- When women apply for a fiancée (partner) visa, there is a growing trend that their applications are rejected, because the immigration officials in USA, Australia, UK are now checking dating sites to see if they are still active online.
- If a lady’s profile is still showing as active, officials may conclude that it is not a genuine relationship and reject the visa application.
This is why Elena’s Models designed a strict policy that applications of ladies whose listings are found on “pay per letter” websites cannot be approved on EM.
Jobs in marriage agencies: Current vacancies on employment portal Work.ua, 251 vacancies for the last 30 days. Search performed on 26 July 2017. (Click to enlarge) You can access this list by making a search on Work.ua by keywords “брачное агентство” and then post the URL of the results page into translate.google.com (Russian to English translation). Pages will be translated via Google online translation tool.
List of PPL sites, members of which cannot be approved for membership on EM
- Anastasia
- Anastasiadate
- Veronika
- uadreams
- charmdate
- veronikalove
- romancecompass
- godatenow
- dream-marriage
Also these sites below appear to be the same company “NatashaClub” and use one database of women:
- natashaclub
- 1st-international
- russian-women-personals
- online-dating-Ukraine
- allianceinter
- single-baltic-lady
- russian-brides-club
- victoriasagency.com.ua
- aliceagency
- russianbridesmatch
- brides-from.ru
Recent online employment ads
The scale of problems with online “dating” sites that charge men for communication is epidemiological. Such ads seeking to hire impersonators for chats and photos are omnipresent in Ukraine. It is this type of ads that often show up on top in the category of freelance jobs in Ukraine.
Below is just a small fraction of ads seeking Ukrainian workers for “pay per letter” websites (translated through Google Translate tool).
- The company has to be properly registered to place ads on Work.ua.
- Search performed on 26 and 31 July 2017.
Ads by the same “verified” advertiser, seeking both “models”, chat operators and English speaking “translators”. Such agents supply large PPL sites with pretty faces and fast typing hands to impersonate these pretty faces.
Above you will find just a few examples of current ads on Work.ua, seeking attractive girls for photos and English speakers to chat to men on dating sites from such profiles. (Click to enlarge)
Read also:
- Pseudo dating: Meaning, definition, players & earnings
- What is PPL dating? Pay-per-letter and pay-per-minute relationships
- Dating scams: From Jeff Peters to PPL sites
- Think you met an honest Ukrainian woman through “pay-per-letter” marriage agency and you are NOT being scammed? Think again
Guys, we know it’s not an exhaustive list. Many PPL sites have dozens of “skins” working from the same database. We work in this business since 1999, we never charged per letter, and we know companies that do. Just realize no matter how “real” the PPL site says their profiles are, they have absolutely no way to guarantee their “agents” aren’t hiring impersonators (“operators”) to chat under identities of pretty girls who simply gave their photos in exchange for “passive income” promised by ads for “marriage agency models”.
Elena; Very well done. I am very impressed that someone like you has finally revealed what many of us have known. Thank you. Olga Reznikova told me about your site and recommended it. Thank you for your honesty and for making this disclosure.
PaulM,
Thanks. But if at least 10,000 of you make complaints to authorities about this happening, my voice stands alone.
BTW, I wrote about PPL for the first time over 2 years ago.
Hi elena, you an add victoria hearts and romance tale to that ppl list. I just had a bad experience with them. Luckily I realised after spending only $100 that I was being duped.
Other guys on there spent thousands only after travelling to Ukraine realised it was all a scam.
Great blog to by the way.
Gavin,
Sorry to hear about your experience. PPL sites constantly add new “skins” to their main engines, made of databases of “brides” and hidden hired writers. But there are only several large companies. All the different names of PPL pseudo dating sites you find online are just spin-offs.
One thing for sure—if you are charged for every message, you are paying someone’s wages to talk to you. You are not building a relationship as you thought but wasting your money.
Check this post how to complain if you fell a victim of a dating scam.
Elena, thank you for a very informative article. Another site I would suggest adding to your list is Valentime – they run the same scam there.
Bill, it’s going impossible to list all PPL sites — they change “skins” all the time. The same database, same software, new domain name
Yes it is a shorter list but you should mention [names of sites removed]
All of them are proven to be a waist of time, money and hopes. If you need some evidence, message me.
Juergen, My posts on this blog are educational. It’s up to you guys to submit complaints to government bodies in your country that overlook how businesses operate, advertising and commerce federal watchdogs, consumer protection groups, current affair programs. The more of you file complaints, the louder the message. They can’t ignore 1000s complaints. You can also file a claim with Ukrainian police. Fraud by a group of people or where damages exceed 10200 hryvnia (USD $400) is punishable by 5-12 years in jail with confiscation of the property (article 190 of the criminal code of Ukraine, part 4). You can… Read more »
Thank you Elena, I am even doing more than that. I will email you some more information at a later point when all information from various sources are collected and complete. You may want to use this information then
Juergen,
You may want to read this: Ukrainian police is interested in cases like this and eager to investigate them. (Translate through Google translate)
Thank you very much for this highly informative articles, you helped not me alone with this information very much! Spasiba!
Juergen,
You are welcome 🙂
I have never known a company or business that extolled the virtues of another. It is always, “WE are good, THEY are bad.” This is called marketing. From your writings, can I safely assume that all those other agencies are frauds, and yours is the “shining city on the hill?” What is the difference if we pay per letter, or give you one lump sum? I also find it quite curious that these “all scam, all the time agencies” remain in business, after “10,000 complaints.” I am grateful to you; your article on “scamming” helped me figure out the game… Read more »
David,
What can I say? 😀 😀 😀
You’ll figure out for yourself what is the differece between PPL and real dating.
(Read this post: Think you met an honest woman through a PPL marriage agency and are not being scammed? Think again)
Great article. A friend pointed me to your site a few years ago, after me wasting tons of money. These PPL site are every dangerous to the men, and their bank accounts. I got burned after visiting Kyiv, and doing one of these “dates”. Towards the time of my visit, I sensed something different and wrong. Plus, I had checked the girl out, but obvious not well enough. I went on the date, took pictures of her and the “translator”. I knew people in Kyiv from my work, so I had 2 of them accompany me, but staying in the… Read more »
Bryan, Thank you for your comments. I realized what was happening in PPL industry only in 2015, but I know there were warnings and posts before that, which makes me wonder, why the scams were allowed to go for so long? Men who have been scammed should contact proper authorities and demand an urgent action. Substitutes hired to communicate with men under identities of pretty girls in pictures do not tell men, “Hi, I am [Zina] and I will be entertaining you pretending to be [Tanya] in photos, and I earn commission from what you pay for correspondence“. Quite the… Read more »
Here is a few more local agencies in Kyiv. The local agencies are getting better at not posting who they are work the, which PPL site. https://www.work.ua/jobs/1058305/ https://www.work.ua/jobs/1551548/ These are 2 of the agencies I checked out, and they both do work for a few other PPL sites. I do have photos from inside each of these agencies showing men and women both writing and communicating with foreign men. Crazy. Seems the Ukrainian Government is not going to do much in the way for stopping this crime from happening. It is money, plus I would not be surprised, if someone… Read more »
Bryan,
What needs to happen, men need to complain to authorities and media, send Affidavits to Ukrainian embassies. Highlight the scale of the problem. It only takes 1 large media outlet (think Gizmodo or Huffington Post) to start an avalanche. In politics, things change very quickly and you never know when the next “broom” decides to use this opportunity to clean up and add honors to CV. Just a matter of time.
Dear men. Just one question to you who used these PPL-sites and were in some way scammed. Why you paid MONEY SEEKING FOR LOVE/WIFE/RELATIONS and how far it is different from buying prostitute on your opinion? I understand that you are victims, but please tell your motives for paying money (as there are many ways to meet Ukrainian woman for relations and marriage free of charge)?
Maybe high demand from men for such sites is one of the reasons that this industry is so blooming in Ukraine?
Olga, Your question is ridiculous and disgusting. Those websites are not prostitute websites they specifically advise they are sites to date and find women to be a long term of life partner. Question for you : are you completely incapable of separating fact from your twisted reality. Most online dating sites charge a fee to communicate – even Tinder, E harmony the simple difference is the women are not paid by horrible scamming Ukraine agencies who are abusing the market place by simply lying – Purposefully making the whole website from the start a fraud. It seems you are brain… Read more »
Elena, thank you for providing a pulse on PPL sites and what they are. I am brand new to online dating – never used it at all. Decided to give it a try, unfortunately, in the wrong place. Fell victim for 3 weeks to this PPL nonsense, and although I like to think it’s due to my lack of understanding with online dating, I feel like my intelligence left me for 3 weeks too long. I did ask forceful and targeted questions when I noticed trends, highly unrealistic behaviour and cultural cues that were absent (I am originally from this… Read more »
Hi Adrian,
Thank you for your kind words. Yes, PPL sites are omnipresent and it’s unsurprising you stumbled upon one of these at first. 3 weeks are 3 weeks too long, but many people spend years there, so you got out quick and relatively unharmed 🙂
Good luck in your search!
Hi, Elena. I got a question for you regarding this post. How does EM know if a potential new applicant has had a profile on a PPL site? By the way: I was on a couple of those sites and saw a lot of the same “ladies” on both sites. Thank you, again.
David, There are ways on the Internet 🙂 Not going to explain it in detail here, you can easily find out what to do if you check information how to research a person online. We also conduct personal interviews with women before approval. We require a verbal confirmation during the personal interview that a lady is not a member of any “marriage agencies” and will be conducting all her communication with men through Elena’s Models website herself, that she has a convenient Internet access and able to communicate in English. In interviews through Skype we ask ladies to show us… Read more »
Privet Elena, loved reading this blog, really backs up what I already new at a costly lesson Recently my details were taken from EM and added to another site called [URL]. I know the lady that did this as we communicated via private email after exchanging few Msgs, based in St Petersburg as most of the letters I received are from that area, have you come across this site/company? Feel it could be part of the foreign affair program, anyway thanks for the blog have a beautiful day.
Jason,
Send details about it to Help Desk on the site. Elena’s Models does NOT work with any agents or agencies in Russia or Ukraine. What you are talking about sounds like a job of PPL sites, who often score genuine dating sites trying to get clients for their PPL schemes. We delete profiles of women who are active on PPL sites as these profiles most often are managed by substitutes and only set up to get a man to pay for false correspondence.
In 2013 I spent a year and $$ communicating with two ladies at [website URL removed]. I was really interested in them and saved my $$ and flew to Ukraine to meet them. Turns out the ladies were real, but it became very clear they didn’t write any on the letters I thought were from them. I also found out that this agency employed the translator scam where the ladies pretend to not know English so you have to pay for an interpreter. One of the ladies confided in me what was going on after I insisted on meting with… Read more »
Guest,
All PPL sites work the same. They “partner” with local agents/agencies, who control and manage profiles of women. In all scenarios you are unlikely to be paying to communicate online with a lady who is interested in you. All this money is likely waisted.
Why?
Read: Leaks by agents expose endemic fakes in PPL dating and The story of a PPL bride.
Missing XYZ name in your list Elena!! [NAME REMOVED FOR LEGAL REASONS, READ BELOW]
Why? You don’t know about them or you are afraid to bring their name up?!!
Matt, This list is missing LOTS of names, it’s not an exhaustive list of “who is who in Ukrainian dating”. PPL companies create new “skins” for websites all the time. Our rule is, “if a woman’s listing is found on a PPL site, her profile cannot be approved on Elena’s Models.” You can find a more exhaustive list of PPL sites here (created by providers of BOTS). The reason why we avoid using brand and company names is because we have previously been sued by AnastasiaDate and had to fight them in the USA court for absolutely fabricated accusations, including… Read more »