One of the most frequently asked questions that I get from inquisitive visitors to this blog sounds like this, “Elena, what about XYZ dating site? Is it reliable? I am in contact with someone from that site.” Or: “Elena, what about this Russian dating site? They say this and that, and their website shows this…”
Let me tell you once: There are only 3 large Russian dating sites that I can recommend
The current problem that is threatening to annihilate international dating is PPL (pay per letter) or paid communication scheme that is permeated by fraud. If you always had a suspicion that mail order brides were a scam, this industry now made it truer than true.
I’ve been writing ad nauseam about it and I am not going to repeat it here; follow the links at the end of this article for details.
In short, if you are paying for every communication (charged per chat, photo shares, email, etc.), then someone is paid to talk to you. Your communication is NOT authentic.
Not only Russian dating sites are corrupt, but the whole mail order brides industry
The PPL scheme is so profitable, the vast majority of Russian, Eastern European, Latin American and Asian dating sites switched to it to maximize profits — and now they even offer “Muslim women” portal, linked to the same system.
But all these chats and letters — and therefore any “relationships” — are fake. Even though people in the photos do exist. Girls in the photos are profiting from scams as well and getting kickbacks, so they don’t mind for their images to be used in a not-so-kosher scheme of extracting money from gullible seekers of affection.
Low incomes in Ukraine ($300/month average wages) and other post-Soviet republics lead to desperation of people to get at least some money and there are enough guys and girls not caring if they are part of an online scam.
Ukraine turned into some kind of “dating scam Nigeria” for PPL fraud. Most people typing letters and chats on pay-per-letter sites reside in Ukraine, since the government looks the other way and doesn’t seem to have a desire to clean up the digital scamming grounds the country turned into. But for some reason many people still confuse Ukraine and Russia and call Ukrainian women “Russian brides”. You are asking about Russian dating sites, but the woman you have been chatting to resides in Ukraine and it probably never worried you. But it should.
Ukraine is the centre of pay-per-message scams
If you are talking to someone who says they live in Ukraine and you are paying for each message (chat, letters, photos, videos) and the site offers gift delivery (a big source of income for scammers, allows them to get a large chunk of $$$ at once), the chance of your being scammed is 100% (yes, 100%).
The same person you are talking to is chatting to dozens or maybe even hundreds of other guys and promises her undying love to each and every one of them, and each of these men pays for listening to these stories. (If this is not a scam and you think it is OK, then keep paying and don’t worry.) Moreover, the person typing these love confessions is paid to do that.
However, the person you are talking to (the one typing these love confessions) is unlikely to be the person from the photos — even though you probably get daily selfies or even videos as you communicate for weeks and months.
Since the girls in the photos get kickbacks from the money you spend on the site (particularly, gifts are highly profitable for the “brides”), they are willingly providing their selfies and videos to the paid writers who are communicating under their identities. The writers tell you sob stories and the soft-hearted guys send gifts to cheer up the lovely girls from the pictures. It works very simple. And you are not alone; there are many guys sending gifts and paying for chats with this “sweetheart”. You all are paying the writer’s wages, so she or he can live happily and provide for the family.
Who are you talking to on Russian dating sites that charge per message?
There are guys, female students, foreign language teachers and pensioners who are involved in this industry of telling sweet stories to western guys seeking love. You may be talking to a granny or a pimple-faced Ukrainian guy, doing his “Russian bride” typing in his knickers. Don’t be shy; you guys are getting along famously! How excited are you now, knowing you’ve been pouring your heart to someone who just needed to pay for groceries?
As I said, the PPL scheme is so profitable for the websites that run it, there are hardly any international dating sites that claim to introduce “Russian women seeking men for serious relationships” that do not participate in the pay-per-letter charging system.
I know, your PPL site tells you that they are different and on their website everything is real. It simply cannot happen, because agents that recruit brides and earn commissions on paid communication cannot even hire an office if they do not cheat. They say it themselves, it’s impossible to work honestly and stay in business, with all the good intentions.
At best, on websites of paid communication you are talking to someone who is impersonating the woman from photos and earns money on that; at worst the person you are talking to is the person from the photos and scams you herself. In the first case the woman from photos could have some remnants of decency left and may feel bad about her benefiting from unsuspecting love seekers. In the case if it’s the woman from the photos that talks to you on the PPL site, this person has no morals and no values, she is as cold-hearted as the iceberg that hit Titanic.
3 large Russian dating sites that don’t charge per message
As of today, there are only 3 large dating sites listing Eastern European and Russian women that don’t do PPL (pay-per-letter):
- Elenasmodels.com — That’s the website I founded in 1999. I have discovered how PPL scheme works in 2015 (until then I also didn’t know) and now we do not accept any woman who is listed on pay-per-message websites, because such listings only draw men to the PPL site to pay for communication. They start chatting on EM (or any other general dating sites such as Match.com, OKcupid, RSVP, etc.), and then they create a story about a “broken computer” and ask the man to write to her through the PPL site. Men think it’s not a big deal to pay for letters and they are on the hook. This is why our personnel spends about 45 minutes on approving a woman’s profile: One of our dating experts has a personal interview by Skype or phone with the woman, then checks all accessible Internet databases to ensure that: (1) she is a real person; (2) this person is not a member of any PPL sites. We also engage sophisticated software to highlight any unusual communication patterns (they differ between regular people and fraudsters) and then have real humans reviewing flagged profiles, to ensure that only genuine people continue to use Elenasmodels site. We do not charge for communication; all communication is unlimited and free of charge with all your contacts. We only charge for membership. You are free to move your communication to any other platform at any time — WhatsApp, Viber, Skype, or any other messenger of your choice. There is no charge to get the woman’s contact information and you can exchange it immediately. In fact, we encourage you to communicate directly and get on video, so you know who you are really talking to every day. It works just like other general dating sites like Match.com or eHarmony. The main difference is how we approve profiles: We conduct personal interviews with women, often via Skype, asking to show their documents, before approving profiles, in addition to using software and manually reviewing databases. This is why our prices are slightly higher than on other non-PPL Russian dating sites.
- RussianCupid — this website also doesn’t charge for communication and the prices for membership are cheaper than on EM. In fact, it is a good place to search. One drawback is that they haven’t announced that they do not accept women who participate in PPL schemes and as I said before, con artists are targeting all websites where they are able to contact men who potentially can pay for letters. This website doesn’t run a deceptive PPL scheme and is fine to use; just do your own checking of profiles and photos to ensure you do not waste time and effort on scammers. Last time I looked at their site, I noticed straight away a couple of women we blacklisted on EM for trying to deceive men. The simplest thing, avoid women residing in Ukraine; you will be able to lower your chance of being scammed dramatically. You should be doing your own screening for potential fraud, the same work our trained specialists do: Checks photos through databases, talk on Skype, ask her to show you her photo ID, browse listings on PPL sites. In short, you will be doing the job our specialists have been doing for years. Alternatively, don’t do any screening initially and see what comes out from that; you may lose some time but you can save a hundred bucks or so as compared to Elenasmodels.
- FDating — this website also doesn’t charge for each chat and message and you can potentially meet a genuine woman there. Because it’s free, they obviously have less resources to check profiles and you need to be extremely vigilant yourself. But again, you can potentially meet a genuine woman there if you avoid any profiles from Ukraine and do not send money to scammers. Remember the rule: Never send money to anyone you haven’t met in person before. Do your own checks. Be safe.
What about all other Russian dating sites? Are all of them scams?
If you are being charged for every message and photo, then the chance of your being scammed is about 100%.
No matter the accolades and time on the market, the year of foundation, the messages you receive are sent because someone is being paid to write them.
Any “relationship” via such sites is false in its essence.
Read this post: PPL is immigration fraud for details. And before asking any questions, please read all posts through the links in the article and below. You most likely will find answers there.
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DoktorThomas, I see you’ve been a member since 2006 on EM but never purchased a membership. Or have you been a member under a different identity? Some guys (and girls) love to create multiple identities. My point is, these 3 Russian dating sites are my personal recommendation. I cannot recommend any other Russian singles sites promoting international relationships – and definitely NONE of the websites that charge per message (PPL sites). If you’d like to share your personal recommendations, you can do it under your true identity on your website on through forums where it’s allowed to hide behind a… Read more »
Dear Elena, Thanks for another helpful article. I must admit that I registered on your dating site Elenasmodels.com as well as RussianCupid.com back in August. I found out about RussianCupid earlier, because of the advertisements on Google, so I have a paid membership there. It is very encouraging to read that you are doing some research on those getting registered. Based on my experience so far on the RC-site, over 95% of the profiles contacting me are not genuine. Their algorithms are not working properly. It appears that scammers/phishers/spammers can be located both in Ukraine, Russia and other countries. But… Read more »
Goran, How much a trip to Ukraine or Russia will cost you? How much a membership to EM will cost you? Just compare the numbers. Next, where are you going to meet women? You are talking some “offices” — are you for real?? It’s 2018, not 1998. People work across the globe over internet, travel, book accommodation, all online. The only “offices” you can find are the ones of PPL “marriage agencies”. Who has the money to waste on “offices” when the whole world works online — especially the dating industry? If you decide to travel to Russia or Ukraine,… Read more »
I am glad there are clean sites, like this. Probably once check the two recommended too. I don`t hate ppl, and similars for the existense. By one side thats awful-dishonest, but by another help a “justiseful money transfer” from rich and stupid guys to skillful people. If somebody make a mistake once, or even a few times, that is just “tutoring fee”, but if makes multiple times, continuously then: 😀 PPL is for money, I can understand that. What I did not understand (in some 8-10 years ago, when I tried, and after drop) the local dating sites: the same… Read more »
I am getting really inspired reading your stories guys 😀
How are the identities of the girls on the site vetted? I notice only a small percentage of the girls are “confirmed”. What is the minimum documentation that you require. I stopped corresponding with a girl on this site because she tried to steer me to a PPL site, but I refused. You stated to be wary of girls from Ukraine (this girl was from Russia), but can I be certain she really does live in Russia? The girl I’m writing to now is from Ukraine, is just learning English and planning on taking lessons to learn more. So I… Read more »
Fidel, you need to report any attempts to direct to a PPL site to Help Desk. And if you have any problem with any member, also report to Help Desk. About ‘vetting’, we conduct personal interview with women via phone and Skype, ask to show documents. Read this post. It’s very hard to get “confirmed” stamp on EM. We don’t give it to people just because they have shown us their documents. It’s only given after a few weeks on the site if we didn’t have any complaints about the person, seen her on Skype and she shown her documents… Read more »
I would like to share my experience with dating a woman on Elenas Models. First off, I will say the women on the site are real and the best way to verify any woman you talk to is get her on Whatsapp or Skype and start conversing. Once you feel that you are a match then tell her you want to see her and get on on Whatsapp live cam or Skype cam. When she gets on ask her to show you around the area this way you know its a real live cam and not a pre-recorded cam like… Read more »
Derek, thank you for sharing. Some great tips here! I feel personally it’s best for people to meet at a holiday resort where they live in different rooms and have time to get to know each other. Second, that’s why I also feel it’s best to meet quickly, rather than build an image and expectations for months. About meeting more than one woman during your visit, in my view that idea never works. All these women know you are meeting someone else and not dedicated (even if you don’t tell them, which makes it even worse). But people are different,… Read more »
Thanks Elena for your insights and I would be interested in reading your tips if you could share them. As far as staying in different rooms I would have been open to this, but the woman I met wanted to stay with me in my room this was her idea and she wanted a flat where we had a kitchen and she could cook for me. So telling her I wanted to stay in holiday resort in separate rooms may have caused her to think I was not serious about her or maybe I wanted my privacy for another woman… Read more »
Derek,
There is a link to my tips on every page of this blog: scroll to the ad ELENA’S VIP COACHING on this page; just look attentively 🙂
You guys are flying to the other end of the world unprepared. Not wise.
And there’s two more things men need to know. The culture is different there, with Russia itself being the most different. It’s going to take time for her to make adjustments and meet you half way so be patient. The other thing I discovered the hard way is, she is most comfortable speaking in Russian with Russians. Be careful to avoid situations where she gets so involved in a conversation with other people, she forgets you don’t understand a word lol. It happened to me three times with three different women. I actually got into a physical fight with a… Read more »
I found this thing about Russian women not being attracted to nice guys is actually true. I have a couple theories as to why but it’s a fact lol.
Paul, define “nice guy” 🙂
Do you mean, “loser”?
Elena, our host and good woman, if you asked me, I would say I had the impression that nice was seen as exactly that. Loser. I try to be a good Christian but I’m not really a nice guy until you show me that you deserve it. I know how to be polite though lol. Here’s just one story and I have a million of em; I was staying at a hostel in Moldova. It was set in a courtyard shared with several tiny residences. In one of these residences was a woman I was interested in. She wore half… Read more »
Paul, my definition of “nice” is probably different from yours. A loser is a loser, regardless of the culture. A person who allows others to treat him badly, disrespectfully, that’s the definition of a loser. It has nothing to do with being “nice”; the person is just a coward and scared to do what he wants to do (no one wants to be treated badly or laughed at). In other words, guys who say they are not loved because they are “nice” are lying: They are not loved because they are cowards and have no self-respect. To me cowardness is… Read more »
I’ve been separated for almost 2 years now and have been lurking on other sites because I didn’t know better. I almost fell in the PPL trap due to a couple of ladies that were close to my age (51 years old) that looked phenomenal. I found EM purely by accident and lurked here for a few months lol. I joined the site because it was free and kept lurking, I took the plunge about a month ago and bought a membership. I have no regrets and can confidently say that the women I’ve talked to on EM are real.… Read more »
Jim, what a candid comment! Thank you for sharing — and for the kind words 🙂
Have a good day Elena, You are completely right about those ppl sites, I wasted my time and money in one of them for a long time, just because it seemed “legit”, I received regular letters from one girl, had video chats, sent gifts, I even received personalized videos saying my name and asking me how was I, because of those videos I was hooked, but just before making arrangements to visit her I found the girl had a relationship all the time we were corresponding, once I saw this, I understood my “relationship” was an illusion, also, if you… Read more »
Julio,
Sorry to hear about your sad experience.
So many guys get hooked because of fake letters and chats, and these girls are getting a cut from the money you spend! It’s a job for them.
PPL is cancer. There is nothing real there, except the money they spend suck from you.
It comes from the top, not the other way around. People on the top built the system, so that people on the bottom can only earn a living if they cheat.
These are my 3 favorite sites. I visit them every day. I would like to share my impressions. fdating is my first dating site. It is inconvenient to read messages on this site. All messages are confused. Read and unread, new with old messages all together. I also do not like the fact that so many users from third world countries. I am not interested in their men. I still managed to find on this site 2 men with whom I communicate since summer. But they are just friends for me. I like Russian Cupup more. This site has many… Read more »