After you have met someone on a dating site (such as Elena’s Models), you will need to get together in person before you can have a real relationship. This works the same on local and international dating sites.
It is normal on a local dating site to talk to multiple people, and then meet them one by one. Naturally, as soon as you meet someone you really like (and you are looking for a relationship not daily hook-ups), you will no longer use the site, and start talking to each other offline, see each other often etc. This is how relationships work, right?
What is different in international dating
International dating allows you to expand your reach and meet beautiful women worldwide. When you are talking to someone in another country, initially you also will be chatting to many people. After a while, you will only have a few correspondents. It would normally take longer before you meet in real life than when you are dating locally.
To make it work in long distance relationships, it requires travel. One of you, or both, have to travel to a certain location where you can spend some time together.
When you are dating Ukrainian women (or ladies from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan etc), most of them would expect you to travel to see them in their home country first. In part it is because of their worries about personal safety, as there have been reports about women who travelled to other countries to see their online boyfriends, and never came back, presumed missing. It’s a greater risk for a young girl to become a victim of trafficking and sex trade. This is why ladies prefer your visiting them first, where they can introduce you to their family and friends, and be sure you are who you say you are.
Girls living in western countries may have fewer reservations about travelling to a man they met online. In any case, a lady would feel better if you travel to see her first.
If you cannot travel for work or health reasons, maybe stick with dating women locally. It’s a huge leap of faith for a girl to jump on the plane and fly to another country, especially if she doesn’t speak the language perfectly. If you still want to try international dating, choose ladies with large experience of world travel, preferably the ones who already visited your country and can speak your language fluently.
Views on how many women should you meet when visiting
This question keeps popping up regularly in discussions, year after year, topic after topic. How many women should you meet when visiting Ukraine (or another country)?
Long-time members of forums on international dating, whether it’s about meeting Ukrainian women or ladies from Mexico or Philippines, keep pushing the need of “not keeping all your eggs in one basket“. True, international travel is costly, and it would seem to be a smart thing to meet several women in one trip.
However, ask yourself this question: why these long-term forum members are still single? If their idea worked, wouldn’t they be involved by now?
Truth is, when a man visits several women, they know he is meeting other girls (even if he does not tell them about it), and they don’t feel special. They also don’t feel like they owe him anything, as he is not investing in her, he is doing what he wants. If he asked her, what she wanted, she would definitely say she wanted to be special and for him to visit only her.
With guys, they naturally want to go all the way within the short time frame they have with each lady, which means the guy wants to have sex. How do you think girls feel when they realize you were seeing several women? They view you as a “sex tourist”, this is how. Sleazy, insincere, taking advantage of her. Great start for a life-long relationship, right?
Ask yourself:
- How would you feel if a girl visited you, was intimate with you (or tried to be intimate with you), and then went to see other men in your country?
- Would you still want to marry her and raise kids with her?
Difference between local and international dating
International dating is different from local dating. Locally, you meet one person at a time, decide to see them again or not, maybe become intimate, but all things considered, once you start having sex, there is an unspoken understanding that there are no other people in this relationship who have the same privilege. If this is not so, then it’s a hook-up, not a serious relationship with a potential of a future marriage.
The point is, women try to find a long-term, monogamous relationship through international dating. They are not interested in hook-ups; they can find plenty of these at home. All local dating sites, in your country or hers, are full of players trying to find affairs. That’s certainly not what she wants and is looking for. In fact, most likely, she has tried local dating sites before she joined an international one, so she positively has a gripe about uncommitted men.
Women on international dating sites are not desperate to leave the country
If girls were desperate to leave the country, they would say, “Yes!” to everyone, be content with your picking 1 out of 10, and in general all these long-term forum contributors would have a woman at home without any problem. But read men’s comments on this blog and you will see the pattern, all of them discover the hard way, it’s not true that Ukrainian ladies are desperate to “get out of the horrible place they live in”. Vice versa, they love their country and are proud of it, believe it or not.
Why, then, they seek a man abroad?
Because they cannot find a good man at home who would want to have a family with her! That’s the only answer that is true (and makes sense).
How come such pretty girls cannot find someone at home?
They could find men to have sex with, if they wished, but not a man who wants to marry them and have a family with them, and who, at the same time, is a good person and provider. If they could find such a man at home, they would stay at home.
The major contributing factor is demographics. There are 92 males for 100 females in Ukraine and Russia. 8% of female population has no chance of finding a husband.
So, these ladies are desperate to find a good husband, true — but not to leave the country. It also means that first you need to prove yourself to be a worthy candidate. Being a sleazy sex tourist isn’t going to make it.
You are the leader in your potential relationship: make your choices
Your being the man who travels to see her, you are the one dealing the cards. If you do not travel, you’ll never meet. It is up to you to decide when you wish to arrive, how long you stay, and even if you like her enough to continue the relationship. She is the one who follows your lead. True, you may like her, and she may not like you back. However, it’s still you who has the proactive and leading position.
I can only tell you how women think. You can try either approach in meeting The One, and see what works best for you.
To begin with, realize that it’s naive to expect that 1 international trip should result in a lifetime marriage. It does happen, but I haven’t heard about anyone who travelled to see 10 women, picked 1, and came back home with a perfect match and found his life-time marital bliss. When 1 trip worked, it’s because a man went to meet 1 woman. (Read our real-life success stories)
If you are unwilling to spend on finding your life partner at least as much as you have spent on your car, then you put a piece of metal before a loving woman who could change your life. There is a proven formula for success. Use it, or fight it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
(All photos in this article are of real-life Elena’s Models couples)
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Personally I was inspired by a couple who met on international website, and today are happily married since summer of 2006. I agree with Elena, the man must not try and see multiple girls, as other websites promote their romance tours as the best way to find a bride. For me it is ridiculous to assume women who attend these functions are actually serious about any man attending the multi city romance tours. The couple I met were the exception to the ruling, in regards to actually getting engaged upon first meeting in ladies country after many months of communicating… Read more »
Adam, I guess it makes sense: a man tries to “have options” when visiting a woman in another country and “pick a wife” out of several girls in 1 trip. And then he expects her to leave her country, her family and friends, her whole world and life as she knows it, and move to an unknown and strange country to be with a man who wasn’t even that sure he wanted her that much, so he would date many other ladies and didn’t spend all his available time on her, demonstrating his lack of trust, inexperience in evaluating people,… Read more »
I agree with this article completely. I may have conversations with several women but would narrow down to one or two and see how things going for several months if both parties will still be interested in each other and committed then I would go visiting one lady only. Only if after actual meeting and things do not work out then I would try again! Yes, I would not be happy knowing a lady coming visiting me at my country and after a few days would go see other men!
I disagree with this article. I’ve been on Elena’s Models since December and still haven’t found one or two ladies I’d be willing to devote a whole trip to. Maybe I need more time, but some ladies do not want lengthy ‘pen pal’ or Skype relationships. They want to see me in person ASAP and if they don’t, my online intentions may not be taken seriously and our communication goes wanting or drops off. Ladies online one week will suddenly become inactive on site, or unavailable for contact offsite. A blow off? Perhaps, but I can’t help but think that… Read more »
Mark, to me, you sound edgy. Relax. Enjoy the chats and new acquaintances, do not rush. Learn to communicate with women again (you said you are coming out of a 22-year relationship). Talk to women of your own age (don’t have to marry them). Just find out what they want, how they feel about things that are important to you. Get the vibe so to say. By the way, ask the girls you do not intend to marry, how would they feel about a man visiting several women. Don’t need to believe my word. It’s better to spend some time… Read more »
It is not easy to choose the one. But if you do it and your choice is correct you will be happy all your life long.
My friend had been dating with a man during three years before he decided to meet her alive. It was a real challenge for him to visit Russia and meet my friend. But after all they married and moved to Switzerland.
I have met people who met each other on website and really happy now. They stay togeather more than 5 years and thank god that they entered to website and started from easy chat. Before they met they new almost all about each other and it was easy to communicate and start new life. Now they have 2 kids, who speak 2 languages from childhood.
That’s great advice Elena, thanks. I’m not the one who wants to rush. There are some eager beavers here who want to catch me in the airport and plan my whole visit, but I’m not sure I’m ready for that yet. It is a rather pleasant dilemma, however. Your website has already changed my life, because it has given me hope that I may be able to start over with a new family. I stayed in an empty marriage for too long, out of a sense of duty, and it took years off of my life. Now I am meeting… Read more »
Mark, thanks for the kind words. We work hard, it’s indeed a lot of work behind the scenes, which is hidden. First, I don’t think you would need Ultimate. You probably are going to meet the girl of your dreams within days, nice guys always do! 🙂 (But if you do want to upgrade, email Help Desk any time, they will give you a link to do it with 100% rebate for anything you have already purchased). Age gap? Read this article. If you are confident and know how to open a door for a girl, that’s all you need.… Read more »
I totally agree with this article. I was wondering what to do on my second trip to Ukraine. I went there a few months ago and centered on one woman. Even though it didn’t work out for a long term relationship. I enjoyed my visit with her, and don’t regret it. I am focusing on one woman I have met on elenas models now, and I just don’t want to see anyone else but her. We have corresponded for a couple of months now . I will be visiting her in the later part of June and all I can… Read more »
Elena, thanks again for you wise guidance. I actually meet the girl of my dreams several times a week on your site! Then the dream quickly fades. But I will keep trying! I’ve read some of your blogs and international dating and other subjects and this is what I’ve learned (please correct me if I’m wrong): if I want to meet more than one woman on my first trip, then I should not expect to propose to any of them. I will have to make a second trip to do that, correct? My question would then be, would I ruin… Read more »
Mark, you said it yourself: “I can tell that even hinting about meeting other women on EM may have already turned off a few of my prospects“. Yes, it will! Why? Read the article above. You are trying to insist that women should be logical in the matters of love and feelings. Well, for starters, women think with their hearts. That’s the famous women’s logic. Second, one cannot control her feelings. Feelings are not right or wrong, they just are. A woman will feel betrayed and downgraded if you tell her she is competing with other girls. A reasonable woman… Read more »
I think that the girls on this site are deadly serious about trying to find a suitable partner but probably get a lot of guys they think are just playing around. Hence there is some asymmetry involved – the girls need to keep looking in case the guy isn’t serious whilst the guy needs to demonstrate that he really IS serious! Like Mark I would find it hard to be corresponding with many girls at once, no matter how reasonable that might be for online dating. I am concerned therefore about being “drawn into” something too quickly by needing to… Read more »
Martin, I think the solution is to separate it (for yourself and for the girls): – I am serious about finding a partner – But it would be unrealistic to expect that my first conversation will result in a life-long marriage (I would love it to happen this way, but maybe this is too optimistic! 🙂 ) – This is why, right now, I am planning to chat with a few ladies and find someone who I am really compatible with, who likes me, and I like her. – I hope it may be you. 🙂 🙂 – But if… Read more »
Elena you are a star.
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Online dating is the same as in real life. The only thing you did not see the person at first, but you can feel him. You can find your destiny for the first time and be happy all your life, or can break your heart many times, only God knows how can it be. Remember: only those can be happy, who want to be happy!
Elena, I have read you state multiple times in different posts that the women’s goal is not to leave their country but find a man that they cannot find at home.
That they would rather live in their own country.
Does that mean that if the man wanted to move to her country, and be with her there, it would make her ever happier?
(if he had an job that he could work remotely),
Mark, yes, it could be a more suitable option for some women. But do you think you would be able to live there? When I say the woman would prefer to meet a man at home, it means someone who already has a certain social status, life style and structure, supporting networks of family and friends, home, understands how life works and can survive well in it, provide for his woman, support and protect her (yes, you have to protect your woman there, as stronger males may try to approach her constantly, without regard for her being already married or… Read more »
If the man spends time developing a relationship with women via email, chat, skype before visiting in person, then it would be rude to visit several women at once. But if the relationship is superficial, like just a few emails to ask questions and stage a meeting, there is nothing rude about meeting several women on a single trip, any more than a man lining up several first dates for coffee in his home town. If there is chemistry with any of the women the man meets, the man should explain to the situation to the woman, cancel the other… Read more »
The real problem with this site and any of the other sites is the sheer number of suitable ladies. How can a man try to find the right match among the thousands of attractive women?
I have been to the FSU countries a few times. On each trip I met a few ladies. All of them were very nice, some were gorgeous, some too gorgeous. So how do you choose one?
Horst, most men and women who are successful establish a close relationship and meet only 1 person when they travel. Guys who think they will “meet several women and choose” rarely end up with a match.